They are learning but you are not teaching. If, after four thousand years of effort, you don’t have some kind of panacea, a bottle of which you can send to the palace via your “not good enough to make the grade as more than our intermediary with the quotidian world” representative, you really should consider that you are on the wrong track. I had this argument once on reddit with someone who claimed that “only 10 people in the world know how to make a microprocessor.” And I said that’s only true if there are only 10 electrical engineers in the world. I have developed my professional life by working as an art teacher in high schools in Spain, but also by exhibiting in South Korea, Australia, Thailand, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Switzerland and Spain. I never knew Borges could be a transhumanist. Everything is interconnected under the butterfly effect. Once someone in the preceding generation has learned how to calcify, the next generation takes that knowledge the same way as we learn our “abc” and is now free to take a step forward beyond the limit of the previous generation. The student takes 7 years to master what the teacher learned in 70. Who’s to say they haven’t? The second term is the speed at which a master can discover new knowledge. You start with the AND/OR/XOR gates to make a one-bit adder, and then combine those to make, say, an 8-bit adder, and then you reuse that structure wherever you need it (not just the adder in the arithmetic logic unit, but say to increment the program counter, or to compute a branch offset). I would need need pencils so I could draw the logical diagrams and circuit diagrams for the processor. Once the time you need to produce an innovation exceeds, not even a human life, but *the time needed to produce enough value to break even on the time it took to educate you*, then innovation stops. And if so, whether anyone really does know how to make a computer. Of course. The Egyptians scholars ran into precisely the problem as our hypothetical architects – there were secrets that evaded the human lifespan. A man finds he has been wrong at every preceding stage of his career, only to deduce the astonishing conclusion that he is at last entirely right, ― Robert Louis Stevenson, Virginibus Puerisque. The rightful caliph of Rationality speaks in mysterious ways. If they did, they wouldn’t be paying taxes. It’s also ridiculous. Even during the darkest times in human history. Great story. We have nothing more to give.”, “The king will not be happy. Don’t you mean 56.7? Then it would be fair to say that you are not teaching but others are learning from you. You…could get more layers of redactors. Considering there is some noise, and it is extremely improbable that all the noise go in the correct direction. “I’m a man of war.”, “Yes. Architecture, with enough study, can allow you to accumulate seven hundred years of collected knowledge. I’ve read a few. I see youth full of hope and that is something very positive, we have all gone through it. Again, I’m not special…I just have an MSEE like hundreds of thousands of other people who decided to study electrical engineering. RELATED STORIES. This is because, in practice, Scott’s third and fourth terms are generally low. I suppose here that would fall under the redactors, though. Community recently interviewed the well-travelled artist about his creative works and ideas at length. But the Work itself would take far more knowledge than any one man could accumulate. You can absolutely use Socratic dialogue to teach – under certain circumstances. I enjoyed reading it a lot, and it makes a good explanation of a particular insight into the world. It works best if the other party genuinely wants to learn and is fairly clever; you won’t get anywhere if they’re a smartass or can’t think of the right questions. I guess of conceiving my exhibitions more as installations, with pieces interrelated by a common concept, integrating drawing, painting, sculpture, photography, everything (when necessary). I see youth full of hope and that is something very positive, we have all gone through it. It’s not like you have drop-outs who get told “You’re a terrible alchemist, you couldn’t turn cream to butter. So the name “Karl Marx” means “man of war”. Come to think of it, there’s an excellent alchemical reason to believe that’s exactly the case. You had the only major combatant with a state religion being led by Church-hill, a French army in exile led by “Man of Gaul”…, … yeah, he has. When I was younger I used to try using this sort of Socratic dialogue with people as a way to engage in discussion instead of just dictating opinions at them. Again, I do make progress (especially socially), and I … think my programming skills are slowly getting better? It seems the answers can never be too high. My thoughts weren’t properly represented by a series of static documents, they had histories, they evolved. Where? But… isn’t it a little suspicious that the Stone and the Elixir lie exactly at the asymptote? I’m failing to live up to the impossible standards I’ve built up in my head. Does the universe has an Aaronson-esque rule under which anything that gets you immortality is equally off-limits? It is not unteachable, but neither can it be taught. I could tell he was faking; his eyes stayed still the whole time. If you can make a chip, it is because you stand on the shoulders of untold millions of person-years of painstaking effort. The real issue is, if I’m wrong about this, Scott is also wrong about this, because ninety percent of his punctuation (in similar situations) is inside the quotation marks, and this is (I think) the only one that isn’t. See point (1) above re: Consequences for blowing off the king and his dying son. I have worked as a Spanish teacher and lately, as a tour guide. He’d be better off donating money to the sick. I think you mean 50. There’s entire strata of code that is gradually touched less and less if it works well. This just means that networking is a necessary part of the mastery process. It should give you some pause to consider that practically every program we use today was compiled by a compiler that was compiled by a compiler that was (etc.) Depends on who “we” is and the extent to which we’re murdering each other rather than trying to reinvent the computer. My family have been here for five years, which is a considerable time. This is good, but I think I *may* have found a minor mistake: It is not unteachable, but neither can it be taught. you have to add a tissue sample of a young and healthy person to the basic elixir to activate it – but after that it will only work for that person. I did, but no amount of staring could make my eyes settle on the color of the liquid in the flask. It took me 49 years of learning, that simple commonplace knowledge (like the above) is a useful shortcut for time consuming investigation. Point of order: a “man of war” who didn’t know math or architecture — at least, the basics of architecture that are relevant to siege works — would be a pretty crappy man of war indeed. I collaborated in the project ‘Let there be TV’, during Documenta IX (a quinquennial contemporary). Quite amusing as usual, though I must agree with the criticism that the alchemist being overly haughty towards the king, via the messenger, seems a bit too risky to be the right move to make. I assume Google has something to do with it. What are your future plans? We live immersed in the society of the spectacle — Guy Debord explained it very well long time ago — and it is difficult to compete as individuals against large corporations and lobbies. Sure, the reason for X at 35 is radically different than it was at 15. It’s also possible that none of this is the point of the story…. “That is our guild’s mission. So you have to build a rocket that launches a rocket that launches a rocket if you the final rocket to be fast enough to reach outer space. Of course capitalism isn’t necessarily “the best system.” System environments matter. However, the original sentence was in Greek. “We can’t take the time to cure the prince, but here, have a bottle of our ‘keep you from dropping dead for another thirty years’ tincture for the time being”, instead of “tell the king sorry not sorry we can’t do nothing for his sick son”. Be a nomad, pass through ideas like one passes through countries and cities. See, right now you’re sounding like the opposite of St Peter, where it’s “silver and gold we’ve got plenty of, but we reserve our healing for our own guild members”. In total, the rocket needs to burn 3/4 of its weight in fuel in order to accelerate to 2km/s. (Please note that not every assertion in parantheses is fully correct – as might be guessed I put them in there for effect). And those kids can make little tiny advances in various areas without needing to understand everything underneath. The term I heard was “hacker quotes.” I use traditional quotes, but I’m not particularly partisan about it. I personally prefer to walk, like Nietzsche said: All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking. It’s an exaggeration of the Gompertz curve – ever notice how ever since Calment, the oldest people in the world keep dying pretty regularly at 2014-2016? All the more reason for retrocomputing. And geesh, hadn’t your younger self even heard of a Kuznets curve? “You’re talking about an infinite regress”, I said, when I had finished the glass. Login Account. We do not have the Stone, but we have tinctures that can stabilize the lifespan, make sure nobody dies before their time. Most often though it is a matter of practical knowledge over subject knowledge, a young architect has ideas for great buildings, an old architect knows how to get a great building built. Why couldn’t a great architect write his knowledge down in a book? We walked through dark corridors until we reached a courtyard, bathed in the glow of the full moon. They say that Ultimate Elder Alchemists are a few weeks/months away from discovering the Stone. August 2, 2020. This isn’t obscure information. Socratic dialogue works best when you get to write both sides of it, as Plato did. Still, my point is that what would be lacking would be tools, not the knowledge. The artistic disciplines are many and diverse and each time they expand more and more, so called expanded art. But we can at least imagine a task for which that doesn’t hold true – for which a single person needs an impossibly-deep understanding. Or chemistry. At 34- I am still ignorant and confused, but of different or deeper matters. (Not sure if that makes sence. Ars longa, vita brevis. Therefore, I started with my degree in arts. Or maybe that doesn’t work because the Alchemist, having imbibed of the tincture, cannot die before his time no matter how stabby you get on his mortal form. The doctors, astrologers, witches, and other assorted wise people of the kingdom could not save him. This makes me think of The Glass Bead Game. It can’t make you brilliant, but it’s maybe the best book on not being stupid there is.). You want to take on the world. If the Alchemist Guild really is hitting this limit, they should start at the other end: stop teaching the kids every single last step up to the present, and just give them each the specialised course for which each one is suited. My family have been here for five years, which is a considerable time. Other possible avenues of pushing the singularity include electronics (once you reach the computers, you’re a few centuries from winning at most), economics, military / political power (for stability if nothing else), mind-enhancing potions, cryonics, cloning, etc. Decades later a child can write “printf(“hello world”)” and all the spectacular complexity that it’s built on can be hidden from them entirely. So not only is it a fractal, you sometimes get to build wormholes to provide shortcuts out to near the edge. No, the first doctor alchemist completely dropped the ball by hinting there were better alchemists doing more important work than healing the prince. → The first “research” should be “learning”, I think. But if I had a time machine, I would go back and chat with them for about an hour. Interesting project, immortality. I understood it like actually very near of the asymptote, but not actually at it. And maybe we can get it out of collaboration between 60-year experts in each field, or maybe we can improve teaching and distill knowledge until it’s a 20/20 task. The world is very big and there are many ways to go. Probably there are a lot of 25 year old architects ready to design the next landmark buulding, but they need to spend years building their reputation before anyone will trust them with that kind of commission. So to reference back to your last post too. I did, but no amount of staring could make my eyes settle on the color of the liquid in the flask. I try to connect ideas, feelings, reflections, all the time — Nulla dies sine linea (Not a day without a line drawn). Rating: M for slash (homoerotic relationship). And yes, the translations are necessary. And it is possible that they do have cures for common illnesses, but the prince’s cases is specific and rare enough that the best minds would have to take a year to maybe cure it when you factor in the logistics of actual performing the cure once it’s solved. One will be a master teacher who has devoted decades to learning the textbook-writing skill, and who can write a brilliant Introduction To Architecture textbook that makes the first ten years of architecture ability seem perfectly natural and easy to master. It’s funny how life tend to like this kind of circular path. Ok, so do the alchemists in that world have any evidence to suggest that immortality is possible ? In the words of Bertolt Brecht: Art is not a mirror held up to reality, but a hammer with which to shape it. You do not need to know every underlying detail to make progress. Garden Fairies & Friends Winter Fairies & Friends Do you think that I should have kept it shorter, or do you like that I elaborated on it? Is Misr also the Nile? The thing to remember about Socratic dialogue is that Socrates got put to death for being too annoying. Eventually I realized what I wanted was a wiki. I stand on the shoulders of giants, but the ceiling is really low. Since then, I’ve gotten better at socializing, I think I’ve even become seriously more charismatic than average, I’ve become confident both because I realized what I thought was “the world is insane” is “things are more complicated than I realized” and because I realized that things I thought were insane were actually pretty insane. I can’t help but wonder if this post was a response to someone criticising Scott for doing all this transhumanist stuff when he could be off doing the doctor thing and healing the sick…. Like practical fusion in this world. Here is a link to a guy who (claims to have) taught the concept of binary information to a class of third graders using the Socratic method. It’s not hard for me to imagine some breakthrough that requires 50 years of expert knowledge in biology, and another 50 years of chemistry. Guitarist David O'List left the band during the recording of the album, leaving the remaining three members to … My arrival on less wrong was like looking back in time: the ideas and even vocabulary where very much those of a 20 year old not -so-ancient geek. They learn different things differently well. It changes ones perspective on life….. Are you so slow a reader, that it would take you ten years to read a thousand pages?”, “You can’t just read a book and know architecture.”. I’m still struggling with akrasia just as much (I’m just working in computer science rather than wasting away in a classroom, that helps), and every so often I read some thoughts past-me had and I realized “holy crap, I was already thinking that way back then!”. The last few generations – on their deathbed, they say they can almost taste the Stone, that it lies only a few hours of further thought beyond their level. We should keep trying to do the best we can; we should not stop learning and we should put a lot of humour into it. Practical nuclear fusion is always about 50 years away. Thanks for writing it! Thinking about Michelangelo leads to several quick thoughts: 1- How big of deal for the alchemists endeavor is a guy like Einstein or Michelangelo? An annoyed king sending letters that you’re not contributing to the treasury is one thing, a grieving king who has just buried his son and heir determined that THERE WILL BE BLOOD is another and more difficult matter to handle. DISTINCT: The artist with his work entitled Diversion. “Ars longa , Vita brevis” I love the art of illustration. Here it seems like with a little more luck, or a little more progress, they will completely do it. So the number of unified fields, and by it I mean fields with this property : “It would only work that way if there were an Art so unified, so perfect, that a seeker had to know the totality of what had been discovered before”, grow exponentially. The problem was that wikis didn’t seem to be made for people like us, they were made for large communities to create encyclopedias. Rome passed away, but we did not pass. On vinyl. Thankfully most actually relevant fields of knowledge split up better than this hypothetical alchemy. Then he does his own original research for 63 years and writes a book containing 143 years of research. by: Matthew Sheahan. Yeah, well, “We are the masters of the ancient art of Misery” doesn’t sound as impressive. Related to this, your post on your psychotherapy observations and the focus on Akrasia that LW had a while back, I think you should check out Tony Robbins in some depth if you haven’t already. But if there’s anything useful I’m doing at all, it’s adding that few percent efficiency, making other people’s intellectual progress take slightly less time than mine did, so that they’re able to start pushing forward the frontiers of knowledge a little more quickly. Also, for four thousand years you guys have been trying to cure death and you are trying to tell me – and the king – that in all that time there are no doctor-alchemists who are applying whatever results have been obtained to curing your ills and extending your lives so you can be as productive as possible for as long as possible? Architects. And the alchemists’ guild had refused, saying their studies could not be interrupted. DISTINCT: The artist with … Complex problems require complex thinking, so surely the simple, primary-color reasoning your puny teenage brain employed when dealing with problems ignored too many crucial elements to have gotten it right. We live immersed in the society of the spectacle — Guy Debord explained it very well long time ago — and it is difficult to compete as individuals against large corporations and lobbies. To take your programmer analogy, you can explain the validity of your algorithm, but if you are able to explain well enough how you build this algorithm, the cutting edge of the field isn’t this algorithm, but the explanation of how to build these kind of algorithms. Even if it is a little esoteric. My training at the classical art academy caused me a terrible allergy to hyperrealism and the academic painting, which led me to the opposite side, photography and video. But I was no Caesar. Many times art requires concentration and be able to leave the mind blank, without disruptive external elements. Art is a small gap with which to challenge individuals. Because the number of unified fields grow exponentially, we divide our resources between a growing number of fields. Travel as much as possible. Yes. Ars Longa Vita Brevis! It might be subtle, but the precise placement of a period (it alliterates better than full stop) provides positive information to the careful reader. That was very interesting and somewhat entertaining. That means that even if these kind of asymptotic limits should exist in theory, and already influence our situation, we will never be very near of it. One of these days I should finish that program so I never have to have this argument again, I could just point them to the github project and say “here, do it yourself if you don’t believe me” . 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